The Spirit Realm

This is not for SoD, this is not Dev Requested. Simply put - this is pre-emptive info for the Devs should they do clickies in the near or distant future. When I asked in channel I was a bit overwhelmed admittedly lol.....so lets put some structure to this. Remember....these clickies would theoretically go on Tank (Pal/War/SK/Br) and Hybrid (Pal/SK/Rng/Brd/Bst) items....so nothing that would be considered paladin-only such as a wave heal and what not....this is NOT the BP click.

A) In order of importance - What Clickies do you considered "Required" to perform your role as a Paladin/Tank?

B) In order of importance - What Clickies do you consider "Very Important" to perform your role as a Paladin/Tank?

C) In order of importance - What general clickies are "Very Nice" for all classes?

D) No particular order - What clickies do you consider "Worthless" in your role as a Paladin/Tank?

A) In order of importance - What Clickies do you considered "Required" to perform your role as a Paladin/Tank?
1) Form of Defense (AC) goodnees
2) Form of Endurance (HP) - Stacks with Prismatic Ward, but harder to aquire this combo than just FoD
2) Prismatic Ward (Resists + AC) - see above

B) In order of importance - What Clickies do you consider "Very Important" to perform your role as a Paladin/Tank?
1) Ancestral Memories (Over Haste) - VERY hard to get as a KNIGHT. Would be nice to have on Tank/Hybrid items.
3) Illusionary Spikes (Damage Shield) - love damage shield, helps with DPS when tanking.
4) Might of the Giants (+Attack) - love attack buffs, just like all melee
5) Seconndary Damage Shield slot (Slot 4) - Somewhat rare, would like to see more.
6) Pestilent Shock (Slot 1 Add proc: Slot 1 DD, Slot 2 stun) - hate + procs Healing Light
7) Mana regen/pool of some sort

C) In order of importance - What general clickies are "Very Nice" for all classes?
1) Circle of Power (AE Aura)
2) Shrink
3) Invis
4) Levitate

D) No particular order - What clickies do you consider "Worthless" as a Paladin/Tank?[/quote]
-) Form of Rejuvenation (HP regen) - HP regen is nice, but this particular clicky line doesn't stack with Form of Endurance or Defense. Pretty useless on a Tank item, unless its changed so it stacks, which isn't an unreasonable request IMO.
-) Form of Protection (Resist) - does not stack with FoD/FoE, and most raiders I know already have max resists.
-) Breath of Selay (Mana Regen, HP Regen) - Mana regen is nice, but the Slot 10 HP regen doesn't stack with normal Overhaste clickies.

A) In order of importance - What Clickies do you considered "Required" to perform your role as a Paladin/Tank?
Mana Regen clicky
Damage Shield clickies
Symbol of the Planemasters
Invis
Shrink

B) In order of importance - What Clickies do you consider "Very Important" to perform your role as a Paladin/Tank?
Levi
Form of Defense

C) In order of importance - What general clickies are "Very Nice" for all classes?
Overhaste
Form of Endurance
Prismatic Ward
Circle of Power
Might of the Giants
+mana pool

D) No particular order - What clickies do you consider "Worthless" in your role as a Paladin/Tank?
Form of Rejuvenation

Now that this is all there, im gonna post some clickies I wouldnt mind seeing brought back:
Vish Shoulders
Upgraded to Jaylia's Valiant Chestplate (clicky cure but make it Cure ALL (includling corruption))
Crystal of Daylight had the DD proc
a Self only decent absorbable Rune click

ill add more later

the role of tanking isnt the only role of a paladin. Mana regen clicky id put high because Aurora and Wave is HUGE tools used in raids w/ me and mana intensive. Damage Shields are always Yummy when u wave alot to get ae agro and can do more damage. Symbol of planemasters = innate group heal procs thus making our lives ALOT easier. And if you ask ANY raid leader, if u cant get from point A to point B invised, u might as well not even show up. Also if ur corner tanking, u gonna need some type of shrinkin. when im in corners i use the goblin illusion.

Form of Defense is for when ur actually tanking. If ur in a support role like Rootin, Stunlockin, Healing, Curing, rezzing, etc...Form of Defense does very little if none for ya. Same with FoE/Ward (situational buffs).

A) In order of importance - What Clickies do you considered "Required" to perform your role as a Paladin/Tank?
1) Form of Defense (AC)
2) Form of Endurance (HP)
3) Prismatic Ward (Resists + AC)
4) Regen (Mana + Hps)
5) Symbol of the Planesmaster (Proc)
6) Mana Pool Increase

B) In order of importance - What Clickies do you consider "Very Important" to perform your role as a Paladin/Tank?
1) Ancestral Memories (Over Haste)
2) Illusionary Spikes (Damage Shield)
3) Might of the Giants (+Attack)

C) In order of importance - What general clickies are "Very Nice" for all classes?
1) Shrink

D) No particular order - What clickies do you consider "Worthless" as a Paladin/Tank?
1) Invis - Available in Potion
2) Levitate - Available in Potion

A) In order of importance - What Clickies do you considered "Required" to perform your role as a Paladin/Tank?
1) Form of Defense (AC) goodnees
2) Damage Shield clicky
3) Damage mitigation

B) In order of importance - What Clickies do you consider "Very Important" to perform your role as a Paladin/Tank?
1) Mana regen
2) CH (Hey, we got it once before)

C) In order of importance - What general clickies are "Very Nice" for all classes?
1) Circle of Power or really any AE
2) Levitate
3) Prismatic Ward
4) Overhaste - would be nice to see a specifically knight item with this effect on it, we don't mind swinging a hair faster really.

D) No particular order - What clickies do you consider "Worthless" as a Paladin/Tank?[/quote]
1) Form of Rejuvenation (HP regen) - Utterly useless in its current form and stacking issues.

I took shrink and invis completely off the list. At this point in the game if you claim to raid, you need to camp one of the many shrink items in the game. Pick the goblin illusion, the shrink stick, the shrink earring, whatever, but I wouldn't call you a raider if you didn't have one already. Having another in the future for some reason would be a waste. Shrink is already a requirement where I come from.

Same goes for invis. Unless they add something with a fixed duration invis or infinite charges and insta-cast, an invis click is a waste. I am a raid leader, and Kyntul is right, if you can't move from point a to point b invis then you will waste the time of 53 other people, but I go one step further. If you can't figure out potions by now, you shouldn't be raiding.

Lev I would still find useful. I do carry potions for that as well, but since they are only player made its not as easy to stock up on them, so I wouldn't mind a lev clicky again (gave my cloak away to a friend that was doing the epic, haven't been back to camp one again yet, and thats the only one I know of that useable by us).

Like the fabled ball of golem clay clickie is what I'm thinking of.

A) In order of importance - What Clickies do you considered "Required" to perform your role as a Paladin/Tank?
1) Form of Defense (AC) goodnees
2) Form of Endurance (HP) - Stacks with Prismatic Ward, but harder to aquire this combo than just FoD
3) Prismatic Ward (Resists + AC) - see above

B) In order of importance - What Clickies do you consider "Very Important" to perform your role as a Paladin/Tank?
1) Ancestral Memories (Over Haste)
2) Symbol of the Planemasters type clicky
3) Illusionary Spikes (Damage Shield)
4) Might of the Giants (+Attack)
5) Seconndary Damage Shield slot (Slot 4)
6) Mana regen/pool of some sort
7) Updated group epic click
Updated vish shoulders (Heal)
9) Updated cure clicky (Blackflame Sphere)

C) In order of importance - What general clickies are "Very Nice" for all classes?
1) Circle of Power (AE Aura)
2) Shrink
3) Invis
4) Levitate
5) Ancient Faycite Bone Circum with no rune\vie

D) No particular order - What clickies do you consider "Worthless" as a Paladin/Tank?[/quote]
-) Form of Rejuvenation (HP regen)
-) Form of Protection (Resist)

I know im like out of the game here but do you guys use illusionary spikes on raids over cloak of feathers?

Also is the RGC clicky efficient anymore unless absolutely out of mana?

And when you say overhaste are you saying thats absolute importance at number 1 for keeping single target aggro?

Oh yeah im down for updated vish clicky and be fun just for the hell of it for like say a 250dd proc update of planesmasters, 1-900-MixALot PoTime farming, lets get some of the warriors and knights a chance at getting this without having to box and ask friends to come request expedition.

Just wondering I aint played in a grip. /passes gilthanos and knytul a beer.

Aka useless unless soloing/boxing. I gotcha, good suggestions though cept I didn't see any for "male ogre old model clicky" GG leaving that out 1-900-MixALot!

And dpsing on raids! Knights don't get bards in group and when you're min/maxing overhaste is not insignificant.
Granted that pally dps is kinda insignificant to start with but I repress that.

As for damage shield clicky - yes, useless in a raid setting if it's same slot as cloak of feathers.

I'm too lazy to even copy and paste, but Hulking's list is right on imho

I got everything i expected out of a response, I should've been more specific on if i meant on raids or not. It seems like they will keep upgrading the "jelvan line" of DS clickies on masks though so that's cool I personally would like to see an upgraded vish click, say maybe wave of absolution or the current group heal, wouldn't be overpowered for every 3 minutes 30 secs with how the progression of EQ is going. I still though am going for ogre illusion clicky that's the ogre brick GM item, ogre paladin > all.

an rc clicky would rock even if it were class restricted to clr dru sha pal

A useful item would be great even if it had some downside that wouldn't apply to you? That's some deep shit, man. Deep.

The point i was making about the RC (not RGC) clickie was if devs refused to consider an all/all RC clickie, then restricting it to classes that currently get RC would still be valuable.

But I thank the shaman troller for his brilliant input. And if it's possible you weren't aware, pallies do not get "Quickened Curing" AA so the recast for RC for pallies is still 3 minutes. And just in case you get confused by our "Quickened Radiant Cure" AA, that AA reduces the cast time by 30% at level 3 (not the recast time).

Radiant Cure? You're the first to mention such a thing here, it didn't even occur to me that you might mean something other than Remove Curse.

Pals get both Radient Cure and Removed Greater Curse. I'm still confused.

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