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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Ughbash » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:31 pm

Did not mean to imply that I meleed with the shaman, I don't. He is grouped with my monk which is what I meant by if I am the only melee.

My group is usually either Monk Shaman Cleric Wizard in which case I don't use Lynx, or Monk Shaman Ranger Mage Merc Healer in which case I do use lynx.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:16 pm

Presently I group with a pally (who boxes a cleric) a chanter (who boxes a wizzie) and me who plays a bst and boxes the shaman. We're fairly effective as a group. Usually the pally pulls with the chanter doing CC if he gets adds. If not the chanter pre-slows then adds his own debuffs as I lead in with heal counter cripple and malo. While my hotkey fires off the 3 spells, I switch over to my bst and get her into position for melee. I listen to my shaman voice macros (uses a skelly ilussion so I can tell when he casts a spell). While spells are casting from the shaman hotkeys I do dmg with bst. I switch over to shaman for heals. Most named fall easily when we group... at least in fungal forest.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:42 pm

After looking up Union of Spirits and Ancestral Aid, I see why so many are advocating it. I've bought 6 ranks in Ancestral Aid and 1 in Union of Spirits. AA come fast for me in UF at least so I should be able to max both soon... I hope.

I feel like I'm forgetting something AA heal-wise.

Healing adept: Complete
Healing Gift 17/21
Healing Boon 6(?)/15 (might be more)
Ancestral Aid 6/15
Union of Spirits 1/12
Call of the Ancients 2//8
Abundant Healing 8/15
Cascade of Life 1/3

Also does anyone have any idea how many aa per rank of any of these AA?
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Brohg » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:51 am

Fortified Intervention isn't on that list, and needs to be. It's major.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:38 pm

What is that and what does it do?
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Tordail » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:13 pm

It's an AA that decreases both the cast time and recast time of Ancestral Intervention and, I believe, Antecedent's Intervention. Those are our emergency rescue heals.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:05 pm

Tordail wrote:It's an AA that decreases both the cast time and recast time of Ancestral Intervention and, I believe, Antecedent's Intervention. Those are our emergency rescue heals.


Yes it does for both and it only costs 9 aa to max. I didnt take a stopwatch to it but I counted roughly a recast timer of 60-70 seconds when I maxxed the aa. I haven't tested it but are the 2 spells linked? I've noticed our Canni line is linked.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Brohg » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:54 pm

Yes
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Tordail » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:54 pm

I haven't bothered to test it either, just assumed they were. No way we'd get two emergency heals that could be cast back-to-back.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:41 pm

I really appreciate the time everyone is taking to answer my questions. :D

If anyone is on the Erollis Marr/The Nameless server please feel free to send me a tell if you need any help with anything. I can box or handle most content up to Korafax and maybe some of UF t6 stuff.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Tordail » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:24 am

Ooh, you're on E. Marr? I used to play on that server before I came to Tribunal/Bristlebane. Lot of good people there. :)
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:57 pm

Tordail wrote:Ooh, you're on E. Marr? I used to play on that server before I came to Tribunal/Bristlebane. Lot of good people there. :)


Funny thing: I was logged in and waiting on a couple friends in the lobby. Someone was /ooc for cleric buffs. I /ooc that I could log in my cleric for gallantry rk II. no reply. Then another /ooc calling nameless players serveracist (server racist). By this time I had my cleric in and /ooc offering cleric buffs... no reply. I waited a few minutes then logged back to my shaman. Oh well.

Most of the players from E-marr are good players w/ good attitudes. Those few that have bad attitudes well you can find them on any server. Overall I've hadd good dealings with E-marr players.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:11 am

It's hard to let go of my bst but I'm leaning more towards being a full-time shaman everytime I play. My bst has been around since I started playing back in July of '02. Maybe one of these days I'll settle on one or the other but for now I play both equally with my bst getting only a very little bit more time.

I haven't updated my magelo but I've bought more ranks of Union of Spirits. I can see the difference but was wondering if the aa to reduce the reacast timer applies to union as well as ancestral aid? Nevermind, I had a momentary brain laspe. Stupid me forgot there was a hastened aa for union. :oops:

I still feel like I'm forgetting something...
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Tordail » Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:07 pm

Trenolis wrote:I still feel like I'm forgetting something...

In terms of what?
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Ughbash » Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:02 am

Trenolis wrote:It's hard to let go of my bst but I'm leaning more towards being a full-time shaman everytime I play. My bst has been around since I started playing back in July of '02. Maybe one of these days I'll settle on one or the other but for now I play both equally with my bst getting only a very little bit more time.


Well beasts are supposedly getting big boosts in hoT (they need it).
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Jaraman » Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:42 am

I feel like a fairly new shaman, returning to an advanced game. Ancestral Intervention looks to be an important tool. One more level to go to get it.

Btw, besides Lucy, what was the name of that other site where spell details were listed... something like "kumbaya.com"... Thanks.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Tordail » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:30 am

Jaraman wrote:Btw, besides Lucy, what was the name of that other site where spell details were listed... something like "kumbaya.com"... Thanks.

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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Brohg » Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:12 pm

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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Ughbash » Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:22 am

Jaraman wrote:I feel like a fairly new shaman, returning to an advanced game. Ancestral Intervention looks to be an important tool. One more level to go to get it.

There are three game changers, and 1 neat enough not to pass up.

Neat enough not to pass up Silent Presence. An AA that is a timed invis is just too useful not to use.

Game Changers.
Ancestral Intervention mem it, get the AA ESPECIALLY if you group. If you solo probably not as big of a deal.
Slow AA (level 78), just get it it is that good.
Healing Counterbias (level 83)

Honorabel mention.
Maliasment AA, its useful, you can malaise a mob during spell gem cool down, but it is not in the same category as Slow AA.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Tordail » Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:15 am

I love Healing Counterbias (though I really wish it had a "wear off" message). It's SO nice in Convorteum groups when the cleric needs an AFK. Between that, Halcyon Whisper, Frost Gift and AI in case things get funky, I have little problem healing. :)
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Jaraman » Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:10 pm

Thanks for the mentions Ughbash. I have the Spirit Walk AA. Bobino yesterday ran me through the tasks to get my T5 merc, and a hotkey invis was super handy. Between the Malo AA and hotkey bandoliering my TA in and out, that frees up spell slots.

AI is high on the list. I'm a ways yet from 83, but what's the mechanics behind Counterbias? Is it a buff you cast on your MT, which then procs a slow on mobs that attack the MT, while also proccing a HOT on the MT? Or do you cast it on the mob to slow it, and then anyone the MOB hits gets the HOT? And so how do all these HOTS stack now -- Anc Aid, Languor, CB, epic, Halcyon... Seems to me between all the stacking and AI that healing is solid now, as Tordail is saying.

You also didn't mention Totem. That to me looks to be a game-changer =) I never did get my FD ring from Sky (nor the clicky shield root, for that matter). So having some way to shed aggro sounds great to me.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Tordail » Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:17 pm

Jaraman wrote:... What's the mechanics behind Counterbias? Is it a buff you cast on your MT, which then procs a slow on mobs that attack the MT, while also proccing a HOT on the MT? Or do you cast it on the mob to slow it, and then anyone the MOB hits gets the HOT? And so how do all these HOTS stack now -- Anc Aid, Languor, CB, epic, Halcyon... Seems to me between all the stacking and AI that healing is solid now, as Tordail is saying.


Healing Counterbias is a slow you cast on the mob. When the slow lands, whoever is the mob's target at the time slow lands will get an HoT on them. It won't proc an HoT on whoever the mob hits unless you reapply Healing Counterbias while the mob is attacking that person. So you have to be careful with it ... if you want the HoT specifically on the tank (and not, say, the monk puller) you have to make sure to cast Healing Counterbias after the tank has agro'd the mob. To my knowledge, the HoT component stacks with every other HoT out there. I like to cast Healing Counterbias and then throw Halcyon Whisper on the tank.

Jaraman wrote:You also didn't mention Totem. That to me looks to be a game-changer =) I never did get my FD ring from Sky (nor the clicky shield root, for that matter). So having some way to shed aggro sounds great to me.

Totem is super awesome, but you have to be careful how you use it. Totem does not drop all agro forever and ever, amen. When Totem wears off, you've got a significant chance of re-agroing the mobs you're trying to escape, particularly if they haven't wandered far enough away by the time Totem wears. If you get a little space between you and the mob and then hit it, you're usually okay. I have saved many groups with the AA and have even been able to use it on raids, save myself and keep my melee DPS group alive in some pretty chaotic circumstances. I also have the Vermilion Sky Ring and the clicky PoAir shield, which are also really great tools.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Sowslow » Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:43 pm

Tordail wrote:Healing Counterbias is a slow you cast on the mob. When the slow lands, whoever is the mob's target at the time slow lands will get an HoT on them. It won't proc an HoT on whoever the mob hits unless you reapply Healing Counterbias while the mob is attacking that person. So you have to be careful with it ... if you want the HoT specifically on the tank (and not, say, the monk puller) you have to make sure to cast Healing Counterbias after the tank has agro'd the mob. To my knowledge, the HoT component stacks with every other HoT out there. I like to cast Healing Counterbias and then throw Halcyon Whisper on the tank.

The mechanics of the spell are a little off, HC is a spell you cast on a mob. It will then autocast 2 other spells, one is a slow on the mob and the other is a hot on the target's target. The hot will land regardless of whether the slow part lands unless there is no target yet.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:03 am

Ughbash wrote:
Trenolis wrote:It's hard to let go of my bst but I'm leaning more towards being a full-time shaman everytime I play. My bst has been around since I started playing back in July of '02. Maybe one of these days I'll settle on one or the other but for now I play both equally with my bst getting only a very little bit more time.


Well beasts are supposedly getting big boosts in hoT (they need it).


They said bsts were getting a big boost in UF but it only created more problems than it solved. That being said, I hope they do give bsts a big break. However I don't plan to not play my bst just name my shaman as my main instead. She has more keys/flags/gear/aa/spells/time played/skills/mana/hp/ac/stats... etc.etc. But I want to spend a bit more time playing my shaman. Onn a decent tank in VH saturday night, I played the Mhealer through several fights on trash and did quite well. Building him up as a healer has worked. I use a combo of frost gift then 2 casts of dannal's mending usually hitting for 80k total. (For those who don't see it. 2 twincasts of dannal's each critting for 20k then the twincast repeating that heal then a second dannal's hitting for another 20k with the twincast repeating that heal for another 20k so 4 casts of dannal's 20k crit is 80k)

Can antecedents intervention be affected by frost gift?
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Tordail » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:12 am

Sowslow wrote:
Tordail wrote:Healing Counterbias is a slow you cast on the mob. When the slow lands, whoever is the mob's target at the time slow lands will get an HoT on them. It won't proc an HoT on whoever the mob hits unless you reapply Healing Counterbias while the mob is attacking that person. So you have to be careful with it ... if you want the HoT specifically on the tank (and not, say, the monk puller) you have to make sure to cast Healing Counterbias after the tank has agro'd the mob. To my knowledge, the HoT component stacks with every other HoT out there. I like to cast Healing Counterbias and then throw Halcyon Whisper on the tank.

The mechanics of the spell are a little off, HC is a spell you cast on a mob. It will then autocast 2 other spells, one is a slow on the mob and the other is a hot on the target's target. The hot will land regardless of whether the slow part lands unless there is no target yet.

Really? I just figured it was the way I wrote it out since I've never noticed Healing Counterbias land on a mob and then change to Counterbias Slow. I only ever noticed Counterbias Slow and then the corresponding HoT on whoever it landed on, so I thought they were just two spells wrapped up in one. :oops:
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:00 pm

How could I forget about spell casting subtly? I realized that mistake during a BB raid.

Anyone know roughly how many aa to buy it? I mean to max the line.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Tordail » Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:58 am

Trenolis wrote:Can antecedents intervention be affected by frost gift?

I don't believe so.

I don't know how many AA to max Spell Casting Subtlety. I never maxxed it ... sometimes, I *want* agro.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Jaraman » Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:16 pm

Glad to hear someone else thinks along the same line.... I started to get subtlety, back when I was forming Creator grps, then realized, "wait, why?!" There were more useful times when that snap aggro was useful, to save others in the group, as Jara was beefier than he looked.

I used to make a game out of trying to gank aggro from some overconfident necros. Fun times. Of course, for those times when you didn't want aggro, there were plenty of options available... knowing the mechanics of the game is 110% more productive than blind reliance on certain AA's, yes?
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:01 pm

Actually I would do that if Trenolis was more like my bst. However, I'm treating my shaman as a healer/support/dps rather than melee/tank like my bst. (my bst has actually out-tanked some plate classes at times) Until I beef up Trenolis to where he can survive longer than a wet noodle in a hurricane, I'm going to play him as a non-attention grabbing caster.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Henora » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:09 pm

Tordail wrote:Totem is super awesome, but you have to be careful how you use it. Totem does not drop all agro forever and ever, amen. When Totem wears off, you've got a significant chance of re-agroing the mobs you're trying to escape, particularly if they haven't wandered far enough away by the time Totem wears. If you get a little space between you and the mob and then hit it, you're usually okay. I have saved many groups with the AA and have even been able to use it on raids, save myself and keep my melee DPS group alive in some pretty chaotic circumstances. I also have the Vermilion Sky Ring and the clicky PoAir shield, which are also really great tools.


What is this "Totem" - I'm recently returned and level 74ish.. I've looked through the spell lists and AA stuff a few times but dont remember anything that sounds like this?
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby dohrian » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:24 pm

Totem is an AA from UF expansion (85 required maybe) that allows you to take form of a totem for 30 secs and drop aggro (but you can do almost nothing in this time, only thing is pop a merc), at the end you revert to your form (and so may aggro mobs is they are near...
Very handy AA, but 10 or 15 minutes recast.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Tordail » Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:18 pm

Yes, the full name is Inconspicuous Totem. :) Wonderful AA.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Henora » Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:11 pm

Ahh very nice. I had glossed over that, reading the title and thinking it had something to do with our idol spells for some reason. Every time I open the AA window I find ones I had not noticed before.

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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:48 pm

I love Totem too. It' saved my group from complete wipes many times. One of the nice things about it is that it's a fade aa rather than a FD aa. The only real problem I have with it is you're unable to take any sort of action for 30 seconds and has a 15 mins recast timer. My bst has her play possum aa and it's nice EXCEPT for the high failure rate and 30 second recast timer.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:46 pm

Now that the NDA has been lifted I can ask questions and maybe answer a few about HoT.

I didn't pay as much attention to our new aa as I should have since I was mainly trying to beta test for my bst, however isanyone who was in HoT beta able to answer a question for me? Aside from the new levels of heal aa (which is what I'm mostly interested in cause my shaman is mainly a healer/buff/debuff type) are there any aa I really should focus on getting?
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Tordail » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:33 pm

There are several nice new AA going in with House of Thule, namely a massive Cannibalization AA and Hastened Cannibalization. Those are tops on my list, along with a new AE cripple, extended pestilence (it'll become a passive ability with HoT!), another rank of Inconspicuous Totem and another rank of Turgur's Swarm. We also get the usual "boost" AA such as the ones you mentioned.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:35 pm

Our new group spell Qirik's Recourse, is it able to be subject to our twinheal spells? I don't know if it's a fluke or what, but I seem to crit heal with it a lot. I've been testing it only in the lobby since I haven't gotten any groups after getting the spell. My heal gift is 17/24 atm.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Trenolis » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:45 pm

I've been playing with Qirik's Recourse and just love it. With an 18 sec recast timer and a 1 sec cast time and able to hit all group members, it's making me feel like a cleric. The spell is a welcome addition to our healing repetoire. I still haven't tried to play with the spell along with frost gift yet.
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby dohrian » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:58 am

Trenolis wrote:I've been playing with Qirik's Recourse and just love it. With an 18 sec recast timer and a 1 sec cast time and able to hit all group members, it's making me feel like a cleric. The spell is a welcome addition to our healing repetoire. I still haven't tried to play with the spell along with frost gift yet.

Yes, me too, wtb hastened Qirik now...
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Re: fairly new shaman

Postby Tordail » Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:30 pm

Trenolis wrote:I still haven't tried to play with the spell along with frost gift yet.

Frost Gift / Frozen Gift are super nice spells, though since I got Qirik's Recourse, I haven't memmed F.Gift. :?
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