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Ideas for the New Expansion

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Postby ThraallFV » Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:09 am

So how good of healers do you really want shaman to be? you have a big list of what % of a healer a shaman is compared to a cleric. Where do you really think it should be?

I personally find that i can heal most xp content, minus FC. Now the mana usage causes me to not be able to do the same amount of enhancing the groups DPS. But i think thats how it should work. As i start emphasising more and more on healing i have to start cutting back on panther, nukes, etc. That is balance. Sure on the easier content i can main heal and keep up the dps additions, but a cleric could heal and have full mana bar at all times.

Sure we are not nearly as big of a healer as clerics, i pray to god we all no one wants that.

Regarding Unmei's Heal of the Sting. Yeah it sounds good, but as pointed out its a spell gem, eep!
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Postby Kanamori Hitatomi » Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:14 pm

If I remember what the 'supposed to be' values were, it ran something like

Clerics - 100% - plus a 5% being a cleric bonus.
Druids - 82% - currently appears to be at 74%.
Shamans - 66% - currently appears to be at 65%.

I'd like a mana inefficient version of a heal that has a faster cast than our normal heal. Both Druids and Clerics have one.

Shamans heal cast time is 2887 (Rk. II Ahnkaul's Mending - level 73 - DPoB focus with a 10% loss) with a cast time of 3.75 sec unmodified with a 2.25 recast.
Shamans have no 'oh crap' heal spell.

Druids have a 'oh crap' heal of 3560 (Rk. II Adrenaline Surge - level 75 - large downgrade from DPoB focus) with a recast of 15 seconds.
Druids regular heal of 3287 (Rk. II Pure Life - level 72 - full DPoB focused) with a cast time of 3.75 seconds and a recast of 2.25.

Clerics have a 'oh crap' heal of 2285 (Rk. II Sacred Remedy - level 71 - full DPoB focus) with a cast time of 1.75 seconds and a recast of 2.25.
Clerics regual heal of 4410 (Rk. II Sacred Light - level 73 - DPoB focus -10%) with a cast time of 3.75 seconds and a recast of 2.25.

To be consistent with druids ability, I'd propose a fast heal of 3126 (Rk. II - using current healing #'s 3560/3287 * 2887) with a cast time of 1.8 seconds and a recast of 15 seconds. Mana cost would be 1015 (Rk. II). Level would be 75.

If you moved heals to where they're 'supposed' to be, for Druids, it would be more like 3616 regular heal and 3916 'oh crap' heal. For Shamans it would be 2910 regular heal and 3152 'oh crap' heal. Overall, not a big change for us, but a huge change for druids.

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Postby Vork » Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:13 pm

Question: Are the developers considering Union of Spirits to be our "oh shit" heal, and if so, should we be lobbying for a faster refresh of it? If that is the case, it should be affected by healing AA and gear focus.
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Postby Dakota » Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:51 pm

While the +10% to slash or +10% to blunt or etc. buffs sound like a nifty idea, I think that we already have too many buffs to juggle as it is. It's a nice idea, but no thank you.

I'd like to see an upgrade to Putrid Decay that gives a bonus to poison damage, much like Malosinise gives a bonus to magic damage. Would make the spell a bit more worth casting in solo/group/raid environments.

Give us an upgrade to Turgurs/Balance, that is simply both spells combined into one. Duration of Turgurs, cast time and resist mod of Balance. It's just not right that our bread-and-butter spell hasn't got an upgrade in almost 30 levels.

Combine some of our buff lines. Combining Preternatural Foresight and Mammoth's Strength into one spell was a very nice addition (though I still don't see why they just couldn't have made it one buff icon. I'd like to see this further refined. Perhaps add the Stamina/Overcap from the Persistance Line onto the Focus Line. Or perhaps combine the Regen Line and add it into the Focus line, that way I wouldn't end up seeing 'Your Talisman of the Stotic One spell has worn off' x6 each time I try to cast it.

Something that might be nice and useful every once in a while would be an upgrade to Breath of Antraygus, just without the cone effect. Give us an actual PB nuke.
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Postby Brohg » Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:54 pm

Combining effects into single buffs leads to stacking issues. Such already plagued us in DoD, where two of the Blood raids had effects that overwrote Focus. Foresight/Mammoth simulcasting is a grrrreat proactive solution to that problem.
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Postby ThraallFV » Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:54 pm

What do you want? to be able to replace a cleric healing? we can heal fine unless people are undergeared for the area they are at or you are at very challenging things.

can you tell me what is wrong? the fact that if slow gets resisted we are fighting an uphill battle just means they are not sugar coating the game for us.

What is so bad about our healing?
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