[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 488: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4751: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3886)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4753: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3886)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4754: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3886)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4755: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3886)
The Spirit Realm • View topic - Bard issues
Page 1 of 1

Bard issues

PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:31 pm
by Idracab
Continuing the trend of bard topics, I'm interested in what issues are facing the bard class right now. I vaguely recall reading something about skill caps and about lack of useful songs past level 70 ( ? ), but I'd be interested in seeing what issues bards have to face with the grouping / soloing / raid game right now.

Re: Bard issues

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:43 am
by Unmei
The big bard issues are:

#1: Songs 76+ "not good" - self explanatory
#2: Instrument Mods Capped/Not used - it's very easy for a bard to cap instrument mods with items/AAs, and so there's not really any difference between a mega-uber-raid-bard singing a song and an extra-gimpy-group-bard singing the same song. Also, many songs aren't affected by instruments at all.
#2a: Songs are not spells, therefore cannot be 'focused' by Type3 augs.

To me, #1 is a bummer, but is partially a symptom of the way bards want their class to be designed (Old songs never go out of service, so there's only so many cool new things you can do.) and #2: is sucky, but on a scale from 1 to crippling class balance issue, I give it a 3.

Re: Bard issues

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:06 am
by Kilgaroz
Yeah, Unmei pretty much nailed it. Those are pretty minor issues though, bards are in pretty good shape as the original "Jack of all trades, master of none." Though in 90% of the game, they outpull any other class.

Re: Bard issues

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:31 pm
by JyveAFK
Bards are still fun, but they're in a sorry, sorry state at this time. Terrible Stagnation.
Was able to hit the instrument cap using PoP gear. Problem only continues to worsen.
Problem with the songs themselves, it's actually a major thing, scale of 1 to 10, ,it's THE most important thing to a Bard. Songs /should/ scale up so we'd only need one or so a level, but the artificial limits to them mean we keep getting songs copy/pasted time and time again.
Contribution to a group using songs (our primary ability?) doesn't show tier of toon, ie, a bazaar geared toon will contribute as much dps to a group as the top bards in game (aura + warsong + clicky haste + holding a drum and singing HoS (that goes so far over the cap it's not funny))

Songs themselves... These caster focus songs that use mana? Terrible idea. You do more damage singing a dot and with the debuff component, it's more beneficial to sing that than waste your mana trying to get that extra tick from a caster.
I could go on, and there's more to be said by bards on http://forums.theconcerthall.net/
I'd recommend bards interested in what's going on check these threads out.