The Spirit Realm

Something I have wanted to do for a while...

Best THEORETICAL Shaman Mana Regen Over 3 Minutes
Time - Ability Name - Mana Gained - HP Lost
0 - Cannibalization - 1066 - 1924
2.5 - Ancient Ancestral Calling - 468 - 868
2.5 - Click Epic (Doing the math on it you lose zero healing if you stay right on canni schedule from here)
23 - Ancient Ancestral Calling - 468 - 868
43.5 - Ancient Ancestral Calling - 468 - 868
64 - Ancient Ancestral Calling - 468 - 868
84.5 - Ancient Ancestral Calling - 468 - 868
105 - Ancient Ancestral Calling - 468 - 868
125.5 - Ancient Ancestral Calling - 468 - 868
146 - Ancient Ancestral Calling - 468 - 868
146 - Ancestral Aid
166.5 - Ancient Ancestral Calling - 468 - 868

Say the rest of the time is used for covering human errors & fizzles etc...


In 3 minutes through JUST canni, a shaman can regen 5,278 mana and takes 9736 damage but you have been healed 6,665 of it through free heals. Just this alone totals 175.9333 etc mana per tick or 29.3222 etc mana per second.

Now if we add in standing mana regen with standard raid buffs.

Flowing Thought 20 - 0 HP - 20 Mana
Spiritual Ascendance - 10 HP - 10 Mana
Voice of Clairvoyance - 0 HP - 20 Mana
Blessing of Steeloak - 0 HP - 9 Mana
Maelin's Methodical Mind - 5 HP - 8 Mana
Chorus of Life - 25 HP - 22 Mana
Talisman of Persaverance - 60 HP - 0 Mana
Standing Regen at 70 - 8 HP - Don't remember what mana is so gonna leave it out.

Totals per tick from non-canni - 103HP - 89 Mana
Totals Over 3 Minutes - 3090 - 2670


Thats exluding a rod from mage which would be on hand and plenty of time to use it.

So a shaman with max FT, raid buffs, canni 5, epic 2.0 Ancestral Aid 3, and Ancient Canni can pump out 7,948 mana and in the process use 9736 HP but heal 9755 HP for a net gain of 19 HP. The end result is 44.15 mana a second and 264.93 mana a tick. All of this ignores the fact that canni 5 would be refreshing right at the end of this theorotical run of the numbers as well as the epic click.

So in the end the stuff needed to do it is no small task to obtain. But its stuff you already want anyways so I feel its a realistic view of what a high end shaman is capable of.

Just for fun if you count in the canni 5 that refreshes at the end of the 3 minutes you get these numbers...

Over 182.5 Seconds....

Total Mana Regenerated - 9014
Net Hit Points - Negative 1905
Mana Per Tick - 296.35
Mana Per Second - 49.39

I am sure I left some stuff out that makes these numbers not exact but in all honesty its not about exact precision in the end its close enough and does the job of illustrating how kewl the shaman class is when it needs to be. And the reason I wanted to test it is b/c I noticed that when I am getting mana back after a wipe or something I can go from near 0 mana to full 9.6k in the time it takes canni 5 to refresh.

PS - there is lots of time in between those canni's to cast other spells like heals and dots, nothing compared to what chain casting heals or dots etc would net you but you can do things while performing this insane mana regen.

Feel free to adjust my numbers and reflect some things i forgot, I prolly won't be updating it since its just for kicks.

I guess I'm MR. Pessimistic =/

Yesterday we had some horrible luck on hatred trial. I slowed the boss at 99%, our mt went down right then. Most tanks were not there yet so I was blast healing all I could, then I went oom. (little time to canni, but I was hitting it here and then, already used epic and AA since mt was in my group).

Since I was oom, I thought ok let me stop blasting and canni, well I hit canni v, hit ancient canni, and got down to 10k hps (I'm only 12.8k), as I was canni-ing RT went down, and I got quad 2.5k ish and died.

My argument is had I been 12.8k, I would have lived. Why is it that a cleric can be 12.8k, a druid can be 12.8k, a shaman can be 12.8k but if the shaman wants their mana, they are equivelant to 10k hps?

Beastlords at my level are like 15.5k hps buffed (that's not high end, just mid-high end). Why is it someone who uses life for mana is at such a disadvantage HPS wise?

We need to have MUCH MORE hps than clerics / druids if we are to be on par with them.

There's still the old issue that when you are canni'ing, you cannot do something else.

I find my biggest hurdles to keeping a group alive in raids, or in maintaining constant dps on raids, is that I'm perpetually casting. Usually if a group member dies, its cause I had just hit canni and I have to wait 2 seconds before my gems refresh to start my direct heal.

Haven't ever thought to test it, but are you saying that we can MGB Ancestral Aid? If so I may have to start buffing by groups again, even though 330 a tick doesn't seem like much I'm sure it can help when the poop hits the spinners.

Yes, can MGB Ancestral Aid.

rivitting's info is pretty accurate, coulda added in the aa regens, and stuff. but its about right, with canni 5/ancient canni, i drop to 80% or so, if i keep spell canni up when it refreshes, my hps pretty much float there. although im not pounding on the 1.5 clicky a ton, or anc aid. if anything your numbrs are low. i seem to remember dishing out 40k mana in buffs when omens came out and i didnt have all the groups spells for raids in a short time

In theory there is no difference between theory and practise. In practise there is.

The numbers are probably correct but don't take into account actually doing something in a real situation. I can regen mana very quickly if nothing is in camp, but with mobs around I have no time to actively regen mana.

The number that would be really interesting is how much can a shaman HoT/spam heal, slow, malos, nuke, DoT in 1 minute while regenning the same amount of mana taking into account cast and refresh times. Epic, SC, and Ancestral Aid don't count because they have a long refresh time.

In an emergency we can do some pretty awesome things given enough AAs and equip, but I think we are somewhat limited in what we can do on a sustained basis like in a fast pulling exp group.