Shaman DPS

[Yesak]

[Jaraman]

Alright, here we go, about time for another shaman DPS thread. Dude, I think you're seriously underestimating yourself as far as DPS goes. If all you think shaman DPS is is keeping panther and Champ on the group, then you've got some serious reconsidering to do.

First of all, if you're not pushing that awesome shaman mana regen to the limits, then you're missing out on more than half the picture. And talking about half, all the non-DPS duties we do account for way LESS than half of our mana usage per mob in group play. This means that MORE than half of your mana can go to DPS.

After taking care of your other shamanly duties, you're left with DPS contribution. Group panther is gonna give you a nice chunk of DPS, especially if you and pet are meleeing. DOTs aren't gonna give you much, but enough, and cheap to boot for the output. Balance that out with as many Stings as you can get in there, and all of a sudden, from like 5 fronts (panther, champ/haste, meleeing with pup, DOTs, Sting), you're contributing very respectable DPS.

That all adds up quick, and yet you can still manage to heal, CC, and debuff. What gives? Are you seriously griping about not being able to DPS, or are you just waving that "hey look, here's a sensitive subject I can bring up to start a long debate about" type of post? Which if it is, I don't blame ya much, as things have been kinda stale around here lately, seeing as how we're all complacent now...

[ophidion]

Ill dig up some parses of me doing 900 dps on redfang in the morning.

[Brohg]

< 970 over 3 minutes on Ur-Gorloch. I was loading additional dots & nukes as the fight progressed, so I think I could have done better. No bard, too; one of the reasons I was gunning so hard was that I was in a bizarre group that had no need of my support. Oh, and I could have had a pet up, that would have been good.

[Ungkor]

Not exactly sure what the point of this thread is hehe.

Oh ya... its the, "in less than cutting edge content, with an overkill tank, I can provide more utility than a cleric" thread:) Well of course we can. So can a druid.

Question:

Sub a beastlord in the shaman's place, and drop a melee for a cleric. How much dps is lost or gained then? Depending on the melee replaced, it'd be pretty close.

What about:

Bard (slow, pulls)
Tank
Druid (reptile, heals)
dps
dps
dps

You really can't talk about "best" group unless you wanna include A) the groups goals, B) the content C) the groups gear level, etc.. Saying "shaman tank puller dps dps dps" is > * is just not true.

The absolute best group evah, of course, is:

Rogue rogue rogue rogue rogue rogue fighting greens. Uber dps

[Gemmah]

Once I was a cleric in a group of 5 necros. That was pretty uber

[Samanna]

I've never been in a successful group that didn't have a Shaman.

[Ughbash]

[Yesak]

[Beafly]

[ophidion]

Wizards are better dps than a rogue in a group.

[Tharkis]

[Ughbash]

[ophidion]

[Kneesmasher]

[Yesak]

[Kilgaroz]

[Jaraman]

[Yesak]

[Galelor]

[Jaraman]

Um, I think you missed the point of my post. Galelor is on the right track. Communicate. And lay off the DOTs! Sloth the tank. Use Stings. Of course you're gonna gank aggro with no sloth and 4 DOTs....

One more time: use 2 DOTs max and Sting the rest of the time. Sloth + panther the tank. Single panther other targets. Wait for a couple rounds for the MT to get aggro, much of it from sloth procs.

Sting > DOTs. Without focusses other than tribute, Sting chained is around 250 DPS. DOTs at your stage are prolly anywhere from 95-145 each, BUT, layered DOTs have more aggro than a well-placed Sting or 2. Again, no more than 2 DOTs on the mob with shaky tanks.

And for newbie's sake, don't forget that quick heals have aggro associated with them as well....

Last point. Why aren't you using Nectar of Pain? It is our best DOT for both damage and efficiency. Then comes Juju, then Sisslak. Forget about Vengeance and Bane unless you're soloing.

[Jaraman]

Oh, did I forget to mention to keep Lingering Sloth on your tank? And oh yeah, no more than 2 DOTs on mobs.

And cast Sting. A lot. What else?

[Yesak]

I'm a slacker. Never got sloth or NoP. Left EQ for a while till my niece pushed me back in. As far as DPS goes, with DoTs I got I can pull off 600dps sustained easy. I'm not uber geared or have alot of playtime. I play maybe twice a week for a few hours at most. I always let my tanks know when I'm going DoT heavy. I dont just randomly start pumping out DoTs and then flame a tank for not handling agro. Thats just not kool. Fact is that I dont blame the tanks because I know they are doing their best. Just part of the game that really annoys me. I blame SoE.

I'm not a complete n00b. I understand what is going on (for the most part). I'm aware of what gets agro and what doesnt. I know how to lock agro on me using 2 spells (not DoTs interestingly, worked about a year and a half ago, stuff may have changed). I've been playing off and on since Kunark but I dont know everything or claim to.

I use our magic based DoTs is because I have focus for it. That is one of 2 pieces of raid gear I have. I already listed the numbers I get with the magic based DoTs. Vengeance matches or beats Bane but doesnt come close to matching the others. It is fun to get 4,000 dmg in one round of 3 DoTs but thats just me I guess.

I'll try your line up Jara and see how it goes. 2 DoTs max and sting. Always knew EQ was about timing but guess I've lost alot of it being away.

[niroht]

[Jaraman]

[Yesak]

[siludorf]

[Beafly]

I've been using NoP/Vengence over NoP/Juju since I picked up the rk. ii version of Vengence and I still don't have the rk. ii version of juju. I've found that I can put Balance/NoP/Vengence/Sting on mobs pretty reliably without using Malis (provided I'm not in a heavy caster group). I figure that not casting Malis is saving me time and mana and seems to be working well so far.

[Ughbash]

[Jaraman]

[Ughbash]

[Jaraman]

[Kilgaroz]

[Yesak]

I think my numbers *may* be a little high at 600. However, I have a magic focus that make our magic dots pretty beefy. I already linked the item I have. Generally speaking, I get ~700 non crit on bane, ~800 on slissak, ~900 on juju. These can be a little off depending on my luck. I've hit 800 on bane without a bard. Ive crit for 1900 on juju without a bard.

Throw these 3 in with a vengance and I get ~450DPS without crits. I have all but TSS crits so I normally get at least 1 crit a round. Even on my worst DoT crit (vengance) it bumps the DPS to ~550. I normally crit on something better than that and can crit all 4 at once (Ive done it twice so far). Just to give a GENERAL dps is ~600.

I have no parses to prove this so if you want to scale the dps I do down a bit, be my guest. Also, if you say that its impossible for me, I cant prove you wrong. I dont have the parses to back up what I say.

[Ungkor]

2006-12-03 Keldovan the Harrier 108959 / 2038923 (5.34%) 1:07 / 1:19 1,626.3 (1,379.2)
2006-11-13 Yar'Lir 271658 / 4483361 (6.06%) 4:07 / 4:03 1,099.8 (1,117.9)
2006-10-24 Keldovan the Harrier 206649 / 2017538 (10.24%) 2:29 / 2:29 1,386.9 (1,386.9)
2006-10-14 Vishimtar the Fallen 199004 / 4236652 (4.70%) 17:34 / 49:35 188.8 (66.9)
2006-10-06 Keldovan the Harrier 140825 / 2044495 (6.89%) 1:44 / 1:00 1,354.1 (2,347.1)
2006-10-06 Jelvan Event 303097 / 4967568 (6.10%) 5:56 / 5:57 851.4 (849.0)
2006-09-28 Keldovan the Harrier 116423 / 1876701 (6.20%) 1:59 / 1:59 978.3 (978.3)
2006-09-18 Vishimtar the Fallen 525 / 904063 (0.06%) 0:06 / 16:53 87.5 (0.5)
2006-09-08 Yar'Lir 289365 / 5034745 (5.75%) 5:46 / 6:12 836.3 (777.9)
2006-09-05 Keldovan the Harrier 126434 / 2018915 (6.26%) 2:04 / 2:21 1,019.6 (896.7)
2006-09-01 Matriarch Shyra 186491 / 3711507 (5.02%) 3:45 / 4:58 828.8 (625.
2006-09-01 Yar'Lir 233858 / 4491463 (5.21%) 4:55 / 5:10 792.7 (754.4)
2006-08-30 Zun`Muram Shaldn Boc 121173 / 2009439 (6.03%) 1:42 / 2:00 1,188.0 (1,009.
2006-08-23 Pixtt Xxeric Kex 65271 / 1299828 (5.02%) 4:15 / 4:16 256.0 (255.0)
2006-08-23 Zun`Muram Shaldn Boc 125176 / 2032262 (6.16%) 1:59 / 1:59 1,051.9 (1,051.9)

We don't consistently parse each raid fight. So these are kinda erratic, but this is a copy/paste of one of our monks.

[Ughbash]

[Ughbash]

[Tharkis]

[Kamion]

[Ughbash]