Write up ideas for a new consolidation slow

[Tordail]

This is starting to turn into a pissing match, and it really doesn't need to.

Brohg's point above was almost completely ignored. For the record, he said: I think more concern should be devoted to convincing The Powers That Be that some change is neccessary than to the minutiae of what the unborn change would entail. He is right. I don't know whether we need something as in-depth as the debuff writeup done early this year, but we certainly need to do something other than take pot-shots at one another. Each class correspondent can submit a question through Kytherea to the developers, unless that process has been changed. Why not ask Waring to ask about the TA (considering concern the developers have expressed in the past about the item) and take our discussion down that road based on whatever feedback they give? If they give none, why not come up with well-reasoned arguments for several different ways to fairly obsolete the TA? One of those has to be more productive than needling one another.

[Ughbash]

[Aruman]

[Aruman]

[Tordail]

[Beafly]

[Aruman]

[Jaraman]

[Tordail]

[Aruman]

[Tugela]

[Veril]

[Beafly]

[Aruman]

[Tharkis]

[Unmei]

[Ughbash]

[Aruman]

[Aruman]

[Aruman]

[Tharkis]

[quote="Aruman
1/4 of gems? Hmmm... 1/9 isn't close to 1/4.
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2/9 = .2222 the people who have said they just use malo/is + TA are saving 2 spell gems over the typical shaman without TA who mems both balance and turgurs.

I think you completely missed the first thing that Ughbash said so let me repeat it for you

Since I tend not to raid with my shaman, I usually jsut mem one slow

This whole discussion is talking about why a consolidated slow is needed to help bridge the gap and keep people from having to raid 5 year old content for a specific item. We're talking about how neither new endgame gear nor spells has at all diminished the power of TA leaving a massive power gap between the haves and have-nots which should not exsist, and how a consolidated slow would help aleviate this.(consolidated so you dont have to have 2 slows memmorized at all time to do the same job as someone who has a TA + balance can) No crap balance is going to land easier. If it didnt, no one would use it ever. That is sort of the whole point.

[WaringMcMarrin]

[quote="Aruman]All I can say to the rest of your schlock is read Ugbash's post above. Balance of Discord works better than Turgur's does. If for some reason Turgur's doesn't land... then guess what... deal with using BoD instead.[/quote]

The main issue could be boiled down to the fact the there is a 6 second recast time for slow and if you have a TA you can get two more attempts to slow the mob again before balance refreshes. A good fix to having two slows mememed would be a normal recast time so we are not forced with the choice to wait 6 seconds or mem two spells if you dont have a TA.

[Jaraman]

[Aruman]

[Aruman]

[anaskesia]

[Aruman]

[Tarnnok]

[Unmei]

[Jaraman]

[WaringMcMarrin]

[Aruman]

[WaringMcMarrin]

[brell.illitian]

[Aruman]

[Tarnnok]

[Brohg]

If Time's Antithesis didn't have its other benefits, it would function as 250 free mana every minute (being conservative. in fast groups it's more), without conflicting with any buffs. That's less than Canni, but what's the parlance? "It sure beats a poke in the eye with a sharp stick". Every two times you use it, you get yourself an extra Sting of the Queen.

If Time's Antithesis didn't have its other benefits, it would still have an effective cast time of -1.5sec (that's negative one and a half seconds), since you can cast the next spell only .75sec after your gems would otherwise have ungreyed after casting the previous spell.

Time's Antithesis is about the same upgrade to the spell gem-based slowing process as double Balances are over using plain Turgur's Insects. Oh, and it saves a bunch of mana instead of costing 100s more. Oh, and costs -1 spell slot, instead of +1.

Neccessary? All that's "needed" in life is death so that you make room for the next schmuck. For Everquest shaman, though, Time's Antithesis is about as needed as it gets if playing to the limit of one's character's potential is the goal.

[Ungkor]

[Beafly]

[Aruman]