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Cold Nuke Line

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Cold Nuke Line

Postby ophidion » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:40 pm

It is god awful. Low dps, high cast time is not a way I want to be spending my precious spell slots. The game is pushing us more towards our poison line anyway, why not just ditch the cold line to get more poison jazz.
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Postby Brohg » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:31 pm

Sting is very good for dps & efficiency, just like rains were. It's much better than they were due to usability, but has the same role. It definately belongs in any damage-oriented linup.
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Postby Beafly » Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:21 am

You heal and canni unless you're in content that the paladin could solo anyways.

EDIT: Ok, I guess you're right. You can nuke if you want to :)

EDIT: How about stacking another DoT?
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Postby Kilgaroz » Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:27 am

If he's got the mana to burn, Sting's likely to be more dps than the next DoT down the list.




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Postby XeroOmega » Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:59 pm

if you read my post again tugela, my "hypothetical" post had conditional details that you seemed to have missed: unfocused.

I KNOW there was math that was left out for variable foci. It was intentionally left out, because not everyone will have the same foci sets, however, everyone would have those spells. if you call leaving out unforseen details skewing the results, perhaps we should add in what kind of mobs we would be fighting, perhaps gelidrans in RSS? or Frost Giants? I was working with defined numbers with no variables. I believe I was clear when I stated: no crits, and unfocused.
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Postby Brohg » Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:01 pm

Spells have to be balanced in their base forms. This is reiterated in every comparison thread here and on the eqlive boards. Items balance with items, aa with aa, spells with spells, and crossing those discussions leads to pretty stupid sidelines. Your "effects that allmost[sic] everyone has" phrase is extremely subjective, and I suspect mostly based on what you have, not any real demographic. Unfocussed spells are what everyone has, not any particular set of enhancements.
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Postby ThraallFV » Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:28 am

i agree brohg, however hadnt you been saying on the HoT focus thread that it would be better to lower HoTs so that you can have heal focus effect HoTs. That sounds like balancing spells and focus together.
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Postby LachdanonColdpaw » Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:56 am

Somehow I don't see them adjusting or getting rid of our cold nukes,
but I would really rather see Magic & Poison focuses on our TSS armor.
Put the ice focus on something Wiz/Mag/Dru usable, we don't want it.
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Postby Kiru » Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:30 pm

Even if "the average shaman is far more likely to have [a cold focus] than a poison focus", it doesn't necessarily translate to the average shaman being more likely to have a cold focus than to not have a cold focus. I think it's more likely that the average shaman will have an improved damage focus than either a specialized cold or poison focus. But then again, that's just my opinion, with nothing but a gut-level feeling to back it up.
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Postby XeroOmega » Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:58 pm

and if you assume that everyone has an ID focus....a universal 20% nuke focus....then the numbers universally increase by the same rate...*gasp*
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